Replace the fireplace glass door and fix the damper, or use a Chimney Balloon?

Replace the fireplace glass door and fix the damper, or use a Chimney Balloon?

Fireplace Brass

This is an interesting post in Google groups in which a fellow used a Chimney Balloon to solve 2 problems at once. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.home.repair/browse_thread/thread/37116a6eda8bd6d1?hl=en

Q: I am considering fabricating some doors and frame for my fireplace but i am having a hard time finding just the glass..googling for fireplace door glass brings up complete doors..any help would be appreciated – CJ

A: My kids accidentally broke the glass on my fireplace glass door and I looked around at glass shops for a replacement. I didn’t realize how bad my damper was until those doors were out. I ended up going a less expensive route and getting a Chimney Balloon to plug the fireplace
chimney flue.

This solved the bad damper and as for the glass doors I just removed them and put a candelabra in the hearth.I never used the fireplace much anyway, it made my home feel colder when I used it anyway. The only comfy spot was right in front of it. – GJ

If Chimney Balloons are square or rectangle, how do they fit in a round flue?

If Chimney Balloons are square or rectangle, how do they fit in a round flue?

Chimney Balloons

Q: Jason, The dimensions you give for Chimney Balloon sizes appear to be for rectangular or square openings. What size do I use if I have a 9 inch round diameter pipe? – SH

A: Dear SH, The Chimney Balloon inflates into place so the Chimney Balloon membrane only goes out as far as the flue wall allows it to. See attached images of a Chimney Balloon inflated in an 8″ ID clear tube. This allows the Chimney Balloon to fill a round or square area.

For a tube type fireplace flue that is circular in shape, you would measure the diameter of the flue and buy a Chimney Balloon that is the same size or slightly larger. So an 8″ or  9″ diameter flue would require a 9×9 Chimney Balloon and a chimney flue that is 10″ to 12″ in diameter would require a 12×12 Chimney Balloon, and so on…

Most round chimney flues are between 6″
to 12″ in diameter, so 95% of the time a 9×9 or 12×12 Chimney Balloon will match the application on a round flue. – Jason

How to prepare a Chimney Balloon to install it high into the flue?

How to prepare a Chimney Balloon to install it high into the flue?

Chimney Balloon

Q: Jason, I have two chimneys and I am not using them. I just bought the house so I don’t plan on using them this year at least. My heater is always on like every 10-20 minutes and as soon as the heater is off the house gets cold quick. I think that my chimneys are causing the heat loss.

I measured my chimney chute/hole and it looks like 12×6 (LxW). The problem is that it is about 36 inches up to reach this small 12×6 hole. I plan on getting a 36″ extender and two 15×9 ballon, is that a good size? Please let me know. – AX

A: HI AX, Yes, you did size this application up well. A 36 HEK and a 9×15 should go into your flue tile nicely. You will want to pre-fluff the Chimney Balloon when you go to do this higher install though.

Pre-fluffing means to separate the top and bottom membranes of the Chimney Balloon and crumple in the sides in, so effectively you are crumpling the Chimney Balloon material up on top of the handle valve. This gets the Chimney Balloon material to stand proud of the handle, but without adding air volume into the balloon. (See image at left)

Take the Chimney Balloon with the extender attached and align the crumpled Chimney Balloon material into the 12×6 spot you want to fill, then put a big puff of air in it. The sides of the Chimney Balloon will pop out horizontally and fill the cavity. If the balloon starts to tip when you put in this initial puff of air, remove the balloon and squeeze the air out of it and try again.

Once you are sure the Chimney Balloon is going in horizontally top it off with a little more air and close the valve on the bottom of the HEK extender. Higher installs can be a little tricky, so if you have any questions give us a call right away. – Jason

Different types of Chimneys

Different types of Chimneys

There are different structures of chimneys that we can see on the rooftop. These chimneys provide ventilation for hot flue gases or smoke from a boiler, stove, furnace or fireplace to the outside. Big holes remain open so all the rain, hail or dust will go straight into the home. The heat escaping out the chimney top make the birds sit upon because it is relatively warm. These must be closed and the reason why every single one of them needs Chimella Umbrella.

How to plug a round 8″ flue pipe with a swivel damper?

How to plug a round 8″ flue pipe with a swivel damper?

Q: Hi Jason, Here are a few pictures of my fireplace damper and round flue pipe. The diameter is 8″ in the flue pipe. What size Chimney Balloon do you suggest? – LG

A: Hi LG, This application is one of the most common styles of damper and flue that we run into. These pre-fabricated fireplaces are very common, but the butterfly damper that you have there is notoriously leaky. The great news is yours looks like it has never been used, so you will have no soot to deal with when you install a 9×9 Chimney Balloon. Take the deflated Chimney balloon and slide it in past the open damper. Put a couple of puffs of air into it and make sure it is installing nice and horizontal. Then inflate it the rest of the way until it tightens up, and close the valve. The 9×9 install is very easy to do. – Jason

# 4: I Have a Round Drop-down Trapdoor Style Damper. How do I Plug the Round Flue Pipe?

# 4: I Have a Round Drop-down Trapdoor Style Damper. How do I Plug the Round Flue Pipe?

# 4: I Have a Round Drop-down Trapdoor Style Damper. How do I Plug the Round Flue Pipe?

Fireplace #4: Round Trapdoor Side-Hinged Damper Covering a Round Flue

This is the easiest of all the fireplaces to plug. The damper drops out of the way, and you get a clear shot at the round chimney flue. These sheet metal dampers are often fitted on Majestic or Superior brand zero-clearance pre-fabricated fireplaces. These were popular in the 70’s and early 80’s, and it is hard to get damper parts for them anymore.  The sheet metal doors often warp, then the asbestos ring falls off the edge of the door.  At that point they drop open on their own.

Wood Burning Fireplace Users:

Open the damper and make a diameter measurement of the hole just above the damper (image 4-1), then buy a Flueblocker that will fit in that hole. Or buy one that is a bit big for the hole, since you can then trim it down to fit with a sharp pair of scissors. Here are some examples:

Example 1:  You measure 8” diameter = You buy a 9” Round Flueblocker

Example 2: You measure 9” diameter = You buy a 9” Round Flueblocker

Example 3: You measure a 11” diameter = You buy a 12” Round Flueblocker

Flueblockers are physically a little bit larger than their labeled size. This is so they can press in to fit and hold in place by pressure tension. When yours arrives you just press it right into place into the round chimney flue. It is up to you if you want to close the damper below the plug.

IMPORTANT! ESPECIALLY FOR FORGETFUL PEOPLE!:
If you close the damper below the Flueblocker, mark the fireplace VERY CLEARLY that the chimney is plugged. It is easy to forget about the Flueblocker up above the damper. You MUST open the damper AND remove the Flueblocker to use the fireplace.

Gas Log Users: If you have a gas log set in this fireplace, you have a decision to make.

Here are your two options:

  • You can turn off the gas line to this fireplace and put in a small 9×9 or 12×12 Chimney Balloon just above the damper. This way if you have a house guest that fires up the gas logs without asking, he won’t back up exhaust fumes into the house. The Chimney Balloon will burst and fall out since it is designed to do that. The downside to this, is the Chimney Balloon is an inflatable and not as durable as a Flueblocker.
  • You can turn off the gas line and remove or permanently disable the gas log set and then put in a Flueblocker. Do NOT light a fire under a Flueblocker. If you do light a fire under a Flueblocker fumes backup into the house and bad things happen…enough said.

Gas logs are a separate conversation. We also have an article on how gas logs can poison you or pick your pocket over time.