Ventless gas logs that have a chimney…this is not normal.

Ventless gas logs that have a chimney…this is not normal.

Log wall

Q: Jason, I live in Tennessee, in a restored log home from the very early 1800s. I have a number of ventless logs inside of chimneys (which were originally wood burning.) We use our ventless logs during the winter to heat the rooms we’re in. (The house is 6000 square feet, and keeping the whole thing climate controlled seems wasteful, considering how poor logs are as insulators…) I want to figure out some way to keep more of the heat from the ventless logs in. Is the right thing to get one of your Chimney Balloons, some sort of heat reflector, a blower fan, or to stop being a cheapskate and spend the 700 a month it takes to heat the whole house if we simply do things “the normal way” with the central H/AC. – ER

A: Dear ER, Thank you for your interest in the Chimney Balloon. In order to answer your question well I think i need to clarify with you that you do in fact have vent free gas logs. If you have vent-free gas logs you would have no chimney at all in the fireplace. The vent free variety of fireplace is usually just a firebox in the wall with a heat disapator on the top of the fire box. If this is in fact what you have, then you have no need for a Chimney Balloon because you have no chimney. If you have a vented gas log then you do have a chimney in your fireplace and it is likely that the damper has been clipped open or is otherwise disabled due to current code regarding gas logs. In this case a Chimney Balloon will help you quite a bit. When a vented gas fireplace is not in use, its open damper will suck the heat right out of the room due to the air stack effect in your home, especially in historacle log construction like your home. As far as heating your home goes. Right now it sounds like you are practicing zone heating. This can be very effective way of cost savings in a home your size (6000 square feet). I hate to say this…but $700 per month is actually a resonable amount to pay in the winter months to heat this size of area with a traditional HVAC system. If there are not many of you living in your home you may find zone heating is the way to go. I am for it as long as it is done safely and makes your home as usable as it can be for your needs. I would encourage you to have an energy audit of your home (if you havent already) as a trained professional in insulation would be able to direct you to even greater savings, Jason

Q: Thanks for the reply. Here is where it gets weird. In the 6 fireplaces in my home, there *used* to be standard issue wood fires. Then they were replaced by vented gas logs in the 70s. In the very late 90s early 2ks, they replaced all of the vented logs with *ventless* logs. So I have 6 fireplaces with ventless logs in my house 🙂 Actual fireplaces, with chimneys. So, given *that*, what do you think is the right “plan A”? 🙂 Thanks! – ER

A: OK, well that clears things up a bit. Since you do have chimneys over these “ventless” gas logs then you can use a Chimney Balloon to plug these fireplace chimneys. The key is that you have to remove the Chimney Balloon from the chimney before you light that particular fireplace. This is particularly important to note if you are used to just firing up your gas logs without opening a damper. A Chimney Balloon is deigned to burst if you light a fire under it, and it doesnt matter if it is a vented or vent free fire. You have a unique situation here, but with a home that is 200 years old I bet you have a lot of unique situations with your home. Im sure it has a lot of character and has had many owners over it life and each owner has made interesting changes im sure. If I can be of further assistance please let me know – Jason

Warranty and life span for a Chimney Balloon.

Q: Jason, There are three words at the bottom of your Amazon.com Chimney Balloon presentation that deals with a metal chimney. I have a normal 12″ or 10″ chimney with the normal flu. Will your product work in that kind of a setup? How is the pillow inflated? How long can I expect this product to last? What kind of a guarantee do you provide? Thank you for your assistance, – DM

A: Dear DM, Thank you for your interest in the Chimney Balloon. If you have a 10″ to 12″ diameter flue with a normal flapper or swivel damper you will have no problem using a 12″ Chimney Balloon. The lifespan of a Chimney Balloon is directly proportional to how often you install and uninstall it. If you put it in and leave it, it can last more than 10 years only needing an annual top-off of air. If you take it in and out every week, it will last around a year. Personally, My 9×9 Chimney Balloon is removed and reinstalled about 6 times per year, and I am going on year 4 now without any issues at all. Your Chimney Balloon comes with a standard 1-year manufacturers warranty. However, if you are not satisfied with your Chimney Balloon for any reason you can return it within 30 days for a prompt refund.

Do I use a custom Chimney Balloon or a standard Chimney Balloon?

Q: Hi Jason, My chimney opening measures 8 1/2? x? 34 inches…there is no damper system now. can I use a standard size or will I need a custom fit? price? – TB

A: TB, The closest standard size Chimney Balloon to your flue opening is a 36″X15″. That is a little more than the 6″ too deep and 2″ too wide. The width won’t be a problem but the depth might be a bit difficult. It will benefit you, in this case, to go ahead and order a custom Chimney Balloon for a 36×9. A 36×15 will certainly work but you will find the custom Chimney Balloon to be easier to install and uninstall. – Jason

Does a Chimney Balloon work with a round or oval flue liner?

Does a Chimney Balloon work with a round or oval flue liner?

Oval flue liner

Q: Jason – I have a cast in place poured chimney liner with a round opening of about 8 inches. Do you have a Chimney Balloon specifically for round or oval liners? – DD

A: DD, A 9X9 Chimney Balloon will work just fine with a 8″ diameter cast in place poured chimney liner. The 9×9, 12×12 and 15×15 will work well with a round or oval shape flue. Attached is a picture example of how a 9×9 Chimney Balloon collapses its corners to fit in a 8″ diameter round flue.- Jason

Stuck fireplace damper? How can I open it?

Stuck fireplace damper? How can I open it?

Stuck fireplace damper

Q: Jason,
I’m the guy who talked to you on the phone and had a fireplace damper stuck. Finally got it open. What a pain to lay on your back and look up into the chimney at a stuck fireplace damper. Now I have another reason to hate my fireplace!!

I have two fireplaces. The upstairs fireplace damper is in good shape. The opening immediately above the damper is large, but it tapers down to an ~12″ circular flue. The round flue is 32″ from the top of the damper. Problem is that your extender is only 16″ long. Can you put two of the extenders together, or make a custom long extender?

The downstairs fireplace is the one with the rusted damper. I finally got it to open and now it moves ok. The opening immediately above the damper is ~42″x20″. This tapers down to a circular flue. The flue is on the left side of the fireplace (the two fireplaces share a chimney). I could put a 12×12 chimney plug in the lower fireplace, but the circular opening is 48″ above the top of the damper.

The house was built in California in 1960. It doesn’t match any of your standard sizes. Are the construction details unusual? Can I get a longer extension and use a standard chimney plug? -BE

A: Dear BE,
I’m glad to hear that the damper finally opened up. A stuck damper often requires safety goggles, a whole can of WD-40, some serious elbow grease, and patience.

Lets address the upstairs fireplace first… You can make an HEK extender longer by making some non-authorized adaptations to it. See this article on how to make a longer Chimney Balloon extender: http://www.chimneyballoonusa.com/blog/2007/01/i_talked_with_j.html
An easier solution would be to get the measurements just above the damper in this fireplace and install a Chimney Balloon there at a lower point.

Now, with the downstairs fireplace…If the dimensions are 42×20 in the smoke shelf just above the fireplace damper then that would be the easiest location to install a Chimney Balloon. We do make a custom size 42×20 Chimney Balloon and you can see it on the Custom Chimney Balloon page of the website: http://www.chimneyballoon.us/customchimneyballoon.html

Be sure to call again if you have more questions on how to measure in the smoke shelf area. – Jason